Oh and they mentioned something about making it so that we would want to warp it to a belt.

The problem is that the amount of damage/tank that would be needed to be added to make it viable in a belt would make it imbalanced as a pvp ship.

They did mention one change:

New skin

The mystery code owners are getting the ORE dev skin for it.

Stuff

The rumors I heard was that it will get huge offensive, defensive, and remote shield transfer bonuses in its deployed mode. A rorqual plus skiffs will be able to survive long enough for reinforcements to arrive, including completely tanking most light roaming gangs, and will have the drone firepower to "punch back" as Fozzie said of the new skiff. Gangs of Blops BS are going to want to have their hospital Sin with them.

This makes sense, as Fozzie did say in his presentation "you will WANT to put this in a belt."

Hmmmmm. Rorqual with a grid wide cyno jammer while it's sieged?

As you point out, it is the 5 min lock-down for boosts that is the Rorq's problem.

It's the same insanity that drives people to rat with carriers. Which happens quite a lot. Hell, even supers rat sometimes.

To get it outside of a POS I'd give it
- The ability to bridge* mining fleets similar to a black ops, but mining ships
- Much larger hanger/or bay
- Ablity to transport a number of mining ships
- No need to siege for normal operations
- Fighters
- Reduced align time and/or require a HIC with focused warp script to lock it down
- EHP equal to a sieged carried
- Some special uber ability like:
- AE mining while sieged (like a smart bomb), ore just needs to be looted
- Bubble to prevent incoming cynos
- Bubble to drop cloaks


* Personally I think that Titians and the rest shouldn't be allowed to bridge from inside a POS.


PS- The idea of the Rorq being able to fight or repair is cool, but fundamental flawed in the belief that miners want to fight. They don't, and no 2B isk ship is going to change their mind.

One of CCP's current three guiding principles around iterations is that there has to be risk. If a Rorqual is in a POS forcefield bubble there is not much risk.

The Orca is for high sec. The Rorqual is for null sec.

Idea:
Rorqual with Reinforced mode. When it gets to 30% shield-> goes into reinforced for half an hour.

That would prevent Titan insta-blaps and would force Gangs to either stick around or to come back later. It also gives time for the Rorq pilot to batphone for help.

It would also mean that SC hotdrops are very unlikely, since they have to stay for 30min+ to get the kill. I would assume PL, N3, BL and CFC (to name a few) would be willing to kill some supers that sit idle in space waiting :P

With the compression, being done by a pos module Rorq compression becomes a bit of a novelty.

I like the idea about giving it multiple cores or just a an extra core for building stuff.

Just going to speedball;

-Capital mining drones or a massive bonus to them? They atm a weird stepchild that is not used.

-Capital mining lazors, risk vs. revard. Will you keep the rorq deployed to get that ore? - Might end up in whole fleets of deployed rorqs and the death of other mining ships.

-Give it a module so it will suck the ore out of the oreholds of the ships on field, if they got a similar module?

-Bigger orebay so it can be used as a hauler. The 250k is cutting it a bit short imo.

That makes some sence. But what do they do with the compressed ore ? Just curious.

While details may vary, this type of thinking is the only thing that would ever get anyone to put a Rorq in a belt. Yeah, it would be total game changer for mining. But nothing short of this will cause any kind of change.

My proposals (in several threads) have been for improvements that reduce risk, but don't eliminate it.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4598337#post4598337

Let it use more drones at once.
Increase bandwidth and drone bay.

Give it a bubble so it can lock down targets.

Make it force cap ships to commit to the fight or atleast a serious BS fleet.

Risk needs to go both ways.

Let it give the good buffs without the core on.

End off grid boosting or atleast put a hard cap on it at 150k

Rorquals would start showing up in every deep null area.

Problem solved.

This all is written from my point of view as a wormhole miner.

Your argument is like saying: I can't build my capitals in Delve to supply the local market because people will shoot my tower and i don't have batphones!

A skilled prober who knows beforehand where the rorqual is going to be will have time to drop probes

You might just want to go back to the PvP forums and talk with your buddies about miner ganking or whatever your career is. But you might as well stop trolling here. Obviously your input is skewed by your principles of ideology that are born completely out of the world of PvPers who prefer to take on targets that can't shoot back. But no need to troll here. This thread is for those interested in coming up with ways to make a Rorqual actually work.

CCP has already proposed removing force fields, so they are not going to add more.

[quote=CSM Minutes]3) Get rid of the force field bubble, partly for technical reasons.

Problem: Rorquals won't go to belts 'cause indy pilots are very conservative and don't like getting killed
Solution: Make risking your Rorqual more attractive

Axure is right. indy core needs to die.

Can't disagree with you more.

Need: ice systems in high sec are overcrowded. In null they are tightly controlled by the sov owners and are often taxed through rent or other means to be barely profitable and/or have a high barrier of entry. There are scores of ice systems in low sec and NPC null that sit empty. Many of them are in systems with no stations. This is sad and can completely be fixed by a Rorqual that actually works.

The problem, of course, are the players.

Child, I rent in deep, deep null. NOBODY comes to where I live. I therefore do occasionally take my Rorq into the belt, and I have sieged it there. I am not speaking for myself. I really don't need a Rorq update to take mine into a belt. But I've been an industrialist for years in high and low, as well as served in sov alliances in areas that are quite hot and active with PvPers, and it's people in these situations that I am advocating for.

I have no frustration that not everyone agrees with my idea. My frustrated post centered around all the CCP bashing that invaded this thread on the day of the Crius release and I (rightly) bashed the player base in retort. Beyond that I can't say I have evinced much frustration.

Concerning your non-substantial comments, I am a manufacturer, not a miner. .